The 8 Older Men and Civility

The blind men and the elephant: Is perception reality?

In recent times, eight older men lived in an Indiana community. Each was successfully retired and quite confident. Their neighbors loved the older men and encouraged their breakfast group meetings. Since the older men were no longer actively engaged at work, they had to imagine how things really operated. They listened carefully to stories about the active world of business, government, politics, health care, science, and leadership told to them by others.

The men were curious about many of the stories they heard, but they were most curious about Civility as a super solution to social challenges. They were told that Civility could fix politics, solve tough problems, promote personal growth, reinsert facts and logic into debate, revive trust, social relationships and institutions, and restore the balance between individuals and community. 

They remembered Indiana as a very special place with great leaders. They recognized Birch and Evan Bayh, VP’s Quayle and Pence, representatives Lee Hamilton and Julia Carson, Indianapolis mayors Hudnut, Goldsmith, Petersen, Ballard and Hogsett, mayor and senator Lugar, but especially Governor Mitch Daniels.  They knew that Daniels had been effective for Indiana, America and Purdue.  Did Daniels believe in this Civility miracle solution?

The older men argued day and night about Civility. “Civility must be too simple,” claimed the first man. He had heard stories that it ignores real differences and big solutions.

“No, you must be wrong,” argued the second man. “Civility is complicated, combining values and habits in search of perfection.  That is why people struggle to follow it.”

“You’re wrong! Civility seeks compromise, the middle ground and the golden mean.  It combines the best that participants can offer,” said the third man.

“Please,” said the fourth man. “You are all mistaken. Civility grandly guarantees that it can solve all problems and conflicts! You know how people exaggerate.”

“How can you be so naïve,” exclaimed the fifth man.  “Civility simply rationalizes weak, overly sensitive behaviors that avoid conflict and deny human nature.”

“Civility ignores passion and the emotions,” cried the sixth man.  “It eliminates feelings, values, and intuitions by emphasizing cold rationality alone.”

“I am sure that Civility is a leftist plot,” said the seventh man. “That would explain why it emphasizes the importance and legitimacy of government.”

“On the contrary,” declared the eighth man. “Civility is a Republican scheme to return to the 1950’s with its mindless emphasis on a single culture, morality, character and values.”

Finally, the neighbors grew tired of all the arguments, and arranged for the curious men to visit the home office of Mr. Daniels to learn the truth about Civility.

When the men reached the home a half-hour ahead of schedule, they were greeted by an old friend who managed the governor’s visitors. Their friend led them to a waiting room where they watched a 10-minute video on Civility. The retired men quickly began to argue.

The first man stood up and exclaimed. “Civility is just common sense, nothing special.”

The second man misquoted the video. “Civility claims that all people can get along and all problems can be solved,” he announced.

The third man disagreed. “I was right,” he decided. “Civility is a tool of the powerful to maintain the status quo.”

The fourth man criticized Civility’s idealism. “What we have here,” he said, “is a sort of cult, invoking magical practices to reach utopian ends.”

The fifth man responded, “Civility is hopelessly weak because it asserts that strong emotions, interpersonal relations, sensitivity and hospitality can mend all fences.”

The sixth man stated, “Civility is very powerful.  It allows groups and individuals to acquire and use power for their own ends, while dismissing the needs and desires of others.”

The seventh man considered the actors in the presentation. “Civility elevates individuals and personal growth above church and community, so it must favor Democrats,” he said.

The eighth man was shocked. “Why, Civility is nothing more than a way for the powerful to reassert social control through norms, taboos and shunning,” he scoffed.

The governor’s aide led his friends to the kitchen. “Sit here and rest,” he said. “I will bring you something to drink.”

While they waited, the eight men talked about Civility.

“Civility is just politeness, rules and etiquette.  It is a surface level approach,” said the first man. “Surely we can finally agree on that.”

“Just politeness? Civility aims to transform men, institutions and society” answered the second man.

“Transformation?  Civility focuses just on process, promotes elite values and prevents real arguments and solutions” insisted the third man.

“It’s impossible for everyone to develop such powerful skills that effectively bridge real human differences,” said the fourth man.

“Civility merely assumes that better skills, processes and values can manage differences, conflicts and human nature through the forces of goodwill,” noted the fifth man.

“Civility provides a socially approved way for individuals to emphasize form over substance.  They can perform in a civil manner without really addressing the needs of others,” cautioned the sixth man.

“Socialist subjectivity and radical tolerance. There’s no doubt,” said the seventh man.

“Don’t you see?” pleaded the eighth man. “Civility is intended to keep us occupied and distracted by small issues and away from the larger issues of systematic injustice.  Someone is using Civility to trick us.”

Their argument continued and their shouts grew louder and louder.

“Too simple!” “Too complex!” “Too moderate!” “Too extreme!” “Too soft!” “Too hard!” “Too liberal!” “Too conservative!”

“Stop shouting!” called a very angry voice.

It was Purdue President emeritus Daniels, disturbed by the noisy argument.

“How can each of you be so certain you are right?” asked the former governor.

The eight men considered the question. And then, knowing the budget director to be a very wise man, they decided to say nothing at all.

“Civility combines values, skills and behaviors to solve problems and build relations,” said Mr. Daniels. “Each of you exaggerates the importance of only one part. Perhaps if you put the parts together, you will see the truth. Now, let me finish my morning in peace.”

When their friend returned with drinks, the eight men rested quietly, thinking about their leader’s advice.

“He is right,” said the first man. “To learn the truth, we must put all the parts together. Let’s discuss this on the journey home.”

The first man found his seat on the senior bus. The second man found his seat, and so on until all eight men were ready to travel together.

References (and apologies …)

Peace Corps – The Blind Men and the Elephant

Civility is Nonpartisan – Good News

Civility is Not Simple or Easy – Good News

Opposition to Civility is Unconvincing – Good News

Opposition to Civility is Unconvincing (2) – Good News

Civility is for Everyone! – Good News

Civility: Can’t We All Just Get Along? – Good News

Landing Page: Directions to My Posts

Civility Today Index – Good News

Civility Hope and Solutions: Index – Good News

Community Really Matters: Index – Good News

Community Articles Index – Good News

Index of Recent Inflation and General Economy Articles – Good News

Trump Index – Good News

Popular Culture Index – Good News

Our Hamilton County: Index – Good News

Indiana State and Local Politics, Demographics and Economics (Index) – Good News

Index of 100 Good News Posts – Good News

Modern History Index – Good News

Civility Playlists – 300 Songs – Good News

30 Best Songs from Diana Krall – Good News

Cleveland Upbeat Show (64-71) – Good News

We’re MUCH Better Off in 2026 – Good News

6 Root Causes of Our Situation – Good News

A Religious Perspective (Index) – Good News

Modern American Religion Texts – Good News

R-E-S-P-E-C-T-2 – Good News

R-E-S-P-E-C-T – Good News

American Presidents – 36 Great Biographies – Good News

WW II, the Fifties and early Sixties: 24 Great Biographies – Good News

Management Effectiveness Has More Than Doubled in the Last 50 Years!!!! – Good News

32 Fiction Works Set in the 1950’s – Good News

Modern Curriculum for Citizens – Good News

Our American Community – Good News

Tom Kapostasy’s Home Plate: 500 Posts, A Dozen Categories – Good News

Buckeye Rustbelt

Introduction

I was born in northeast Ohio in 1956, left for Dallas from 1984-87, returned and then moved to Indianapolis in 1988. I pulled the data on median family incomes to try to explain the impact of the shutdown of factories between 1960 and 1990 on the Ohio economy at the county level.

88 Ohio Counties

Context and Analysis

I was born in “the best location in the nation” according to the Cleveland Electric Illuminating Company (CEI). Cleveland was the source of the oil-based energy revolution and home of John D. Rockefeller. It was a major steel-making hub ideally situated to combine coal, iron ore and limestone. It had translated this advantage into providing metal machining services for all industries. The Cleveland metro area had been in the top 10 by population nationally and home to great sports teams. It was an innovator in paints, chemicals, electricity, science and broadcasting. It was home to a Federal Reserve Bank, a “Big 8” accounting firm and many Fortune 500 headquarters. It was a distribution hub within 500 miles of a large share of the US population and GDP. Its cultural assets were world class. It was situated on the Lake Shore rail line between New York City and Chicago. It was served by many interstate highways, 2 airports, the Great Lakes and the St. Lawrence Seaway. It leaned Republican but had strong Democratic cities. It was a powerful state, deemed the “mother of presidents” with 8 serving the nation. I attended McKinley ES and Harding HS. Cleveland leaned towards New England culturally as descendants of the Connecticut New Western Reserve for Revolutionary War soldiers.

Cleveland’s manufacturing prowess was repurposed during WWII to support the “arsenal of democracy”. It expanded in the post-war boom period to support the US and European recoveries. Unfortunately, Cleveland firms, owners and banks generally missed the transition to value added services and modern manufacturing between 1960 and 1990. The same story played out throughout the Midwest. The very best manufacturing firms improved their processes, developed new products and outsourced routine production in order to survive.

Ohio incomes were 10% above the national average in 1959 but below the average by 1989. The state was loaded with 18 large manufacturing counties that provided world class output and incomes above the 90th percentile for the 3,100 American counties. Cleveland, Akron/Canton/Youngstown, Columbus and Cincinnati/Dayton were global manufacturing leaders in 1959.

Real incomes grew by 59% between 1959 and 1989 for the nation as a whole. Ohio incomes grew by just 42% as the manufacturing economy faced global competition. The 18 major manufacturing counties grew by the same $11,000 as the state, 10% less than the national $13,000. These proud counties fell from the 95th to the 86th percentile of incomes in these 3 decades.

Ohio had some offsetting growth during this period. 14 northwestern counties were able to leverage their globally competitive agricultural assets to boost incomes by 70%, raising their percentile level from 74% to 81%. 6 very low-income southern counties experienced 74% income growth as they maintained their 40th percentile income level. 8 suburban counties booked 76% income growth, moving from 83rd to 91st percentile incomes.

The remaining 42 countries celebrated $9,000 worth of improved income compared with the national average of $13,000. They declined from the 72nd to the 56th income percentile.

Overall, proud Ohio could only claim 23 income percentile gains amongst its 88 counties across these 3 decades (1/4th). 15 in the rich Maumee River valley farmlands and 6 in suburban counties.

Summary

Ohio did not keep up with the global competition from 1959 to 1989. It managed to retain a disproportionate 25 Fortune 500 firms and their benefits to the local economy. Schumpeter’s theory of competitive destruction applies here. Prior success is a possible base for future success (industry and talent clusters) but not a guarantee. Ohio has experienced falling real incomes in both its metro and rural counties in the subsequent decades leading to a populist political environment.

Cross-references

Tom Kapostasy’s Home Plate: 500 Posts, A Dozen Categories

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Our Hamilton County: Very High Voting Rate

Hamilton County has the 3rd highest average voting rate of Indiana’s 92 counties in the last 12 years. It was tied for 3rd highest in 2012. It was tied for 7th highest in 2016. It was first in 2020. It was tied for 6th highest in 2022. It was 6th highest in 2024.

Hamilton County’s 2024 population is estimated to be 378,000. The 2020 US Census indicates that the non-voting age population is 25%. The resulting voting age population is 283,000. This exactly matches the registered voter population!!! It is very unlikely that every voting eligible person in Hamilton County is registered to vote. Based on national figures, 90% voter registration is the maximum level. If the valid voter registration number was 10% lower than the reported 283,200 level, it would be 254,900 making the voting percentage 78%, far above all other Indiana counties.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-counties/indiana/hamilton-county

Our Hamilton County: Still Red, Trending Purple

https://www.structurepoint.com/architecture-and-interiors/project/hamilton-county-government-and-judicial-center-expansion

Hamilton County moved from a 30,000 vote Republican advantage in the 2016 presidential election to just 13,000 votes in 2020. Political gurus near and far watched the 2024 race closely to see if the squeeze would continue. It did not. Trump won Hamilton County by 12,000 votes in 2024, just a statistically insignificant shade below 2020.

The long-run trend indicates very competitive political races for the next 3 presidential election cycles.

https://www.wfyi.org/news/articles/hamilton-county-indiana-purple-trump-harris

https://secure2.hamiltoncounty.in.gov/Elections/2024G/results/index.htm

https://www.hamiltoncounty.in.gov/DocumentCenter/View/15431/2020-General-Office-Detail-Report

https://secure2.hamiltoncounty.in.gov/Elections/2016G/results/index.htm

https://secure2.hamiltoncounty.in.gov/Elections/2012G/results/President%20And%20Vice-President.htm

https://secure2.hamiltoncounty.in.gov/Elections/2008G/index.htm

https://secure2.hamiltoncounty.in.gov/Elections/2004G/RESULTS.HTM#0001

https://secure2.hamiltoncounty.in.gov/Elections/2000g/index.htm

Hoosier Demography Posts Index

She grew up in an Indiana town … with them Indiana boys on an Indiana night.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Jane%27s_Last_Dance

Indiana wants me, Lord I can’t go back there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Wants_Me

Oh, the moonlight’s fair tonight along the Wabash

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Banks_of_the_Wabash,_Far_Away

A little ditty about Jack and Diane
Two American kids growin’ up in the heartland

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_%26_Diane

I grew up in Greater Cleveland as a proud buckeye in “the best location in the nation” 1956 – 74. Learned about demography in my first 1974 quarter at New College in Sarasota from Dr. Peter Hruschka. Transferred to Indy in 1988. Remained ever since. Slowly became a “Hoosier”. Started documenting the Hoosier population in 2009, including the exceptional growth of our suburban Hamilton County.

The urban counties have tripled in growth. The others remain flat.

Urban counties will grow.

Indy has found a growth solution. Cleveland has not.

Urban growth, rural stagnation nationally.

Indy metro and a few suburban or university counties grew, others declined.

Long-term stagnation outside of Indy and a dozen counties.

Indy metro area is increasingly dominant.

Metro Indy stands out as a growth leader in the Midwest.

Rural America was behind in 1960. It was much further behind in 1980. The gap has continued to grow. This has huge political implications. George Wallace, Spiro Agnew and Richard Nixon deeply understood this in 1968. Not sure my Democratic party has yet caught on.

Metro areas thrived. Suburbs thrived even more.

The components of Hamilton County’s 50 years of growth.

Hamilton County breakout by suburb.

Net in-migration continues.

Population growth drives job growth.

More diverse …

Older …

An Indianapolis suburb can compete for “best place to live” in the US!

Yet I get an Indiana kick out of you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Get_a_Kick_Out_of_You

Our Hamilton County: More National Merit Scholars than 13 States

Hamilton County’s 357,000 residents are a little more than 0.1% of the 332 million national citizens (1/1,000). It’s typical 80 National Merit Semifinalists are 0.5% of the 16,000 national total (1/200). It produces 5 times more than its “fair share”.

The 13 lowest population states range from 0.6 to 1.8 million citizens, averaging 1 million. Hamilton County has one-third as many citizens, on average.

Public Sheridan HS awards some NMS semifinalists. Hamilton County has a large number of students at private schools that do not report NMS semifinalists by their place of residence. University, Park Tudor, Heritage Christian, Cathedral, Roncalli and Guerin. I estimate that there are another 3-5 Hamilton County winners each year.

Hamilton County students benefit from their abilities, parental and neighbor involvement, high expectations, extracurricular opportunities and strong school systems.

Typical annual National Merit Scholarship Semifinalists:

West Virginia  63

Hawaii      60

New Hampshire  76

Maine      62

Montana     48

Rhode Island   45

Delaware     40

South Dakota   35

North Dakota   30

Alaska      35

DC       30

Vermont     35

Wyoming    20

https://www.ccs.k12.in.us/chs/about/news/default-news-page/~board/district-news/post/20-chs-students-selected-as-college-board-national-recognition-program-awardees-1663096519178

https://www.thesheridanpress.com/news/local/wright-zebrowski-shaw-selected-as-national-merit-scholarship-finalists/article_61139948-5249-11ee-8689-0363316e3943.html

https://www.statsamerica.org/sip/rank_list.aspx?rank_label=pop1

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2023/09/24/hawaii-news/57-hawaii-students-named-national-merit-scholarship-semifinalists/

https://patch.com/new-hampshire/across-nh/hundreds-nh-students-are-2023-national-merit-semifinalists

https://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/news/2018/11/15/national-merit-scholars-semi-finalists-montana/2003616002/

https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/education/2018/09/13/19-delaware-students-name-national-merit-scholarship-semi-finalists/1289859002/

https://www.inforum.com/news/north-dakota/31-north-dakota-students-named-semifinalists-for-national-merit-scholarship-program

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/local/hamilton-county/2017/09/26/carmel-high-school-has-more-national-merit-semifinalists-than-some-states-typically-do/689820001/

Our Hamilton County: Peer Counties

In 1970, Hamilton County was home to just 55,000 people. It has grown 6-fold since then to more than 330,000. One percent of the nation’s 3,143 counties have experienced similar growth in this 50-year period. These 32 counties combined have grown more than 5-fold from 2.2M (1.1% of US) in 1970 to 11.8M (3.6% of US) in 2020.

8 of the counties are Sunbelt retirement areas. 4 are smaller urban areas. 20 are suburban/exurban counties within larger metropolitan areas.

Each county remains fast growing, issuing an average of 5,000 building permits in 2022 versus an average of 500 per county nationally. Hamilton County’s 5,800 permits is above average.

As a group the counties average 16% of residents aged 65+, ranging from 11% to 25-29% in retirement counties. Hamilton County’s 14% makes it a little younger than the national average of 17%.

The percentage of adults working averages 66% versus 64% for the US as a whole, ranging from 48-54% in retirement communities up to 74%. Hamilton County’s 71% ties for second place.

Median household income at $85,000 for this group is 13% higher than the national average. Hamilton County’s $115,000 is sixth highest. 5 of the retirement counties average less than $70,000. Loudon County records a stunning $170,000.

Poverty rates are the mirror image, at 9% for the group versus 12% nationally. Rates range from 3-16%. Four retirement areas have poverty rates above the national average. Hamilton County’s 4% is tied for second lowest.

The group records 38% of adults with college degrees versus 34% for the nation. 7 retirement counties and Henry County south of Atlanta report 28% or less. Hamilton County’s 61% is second to Loudon County’s 64%.

Average home values are $345,000 for this subset, a solid 22% higher than the $282,000 national average. 10 counties reported prices below the national average, 5 in retirement areas, 4 in suburban counties and Bentonville, AR. 4 suburban counties listed their median home prices above $600K: DC, Sacramento, Nashville and Denver. Hamilton County’s $351,000 was average for the high growth group.

The group averaged 68% non-Hispanic White versus 59% for the nation as a whole. 4 counties had more minorities than non-Hispanic Whites: Ocala, FL, Henry/Atlanta, Prince William/DC and Brazoria/Houston. St. Charles County in the St. Louis Metro area had the highest non-Hispanic White share at 85%. Hamilton County’s 81% was 6th highest.

These 32 counties averaged 10% foreign born, much below the 14% national average. St. Charles County recorded only 3% foreign born. 5 counties reported 20% or higher foreign born: Forsyth/Atlanta, Ocala and Naples, FL, and Loudon and Prince William/DC. Hamilton County’s 9% is a little below the group average.

Summary

Hamilton County is one of 32 counties that have recorded tremendous growth across 50 years. It is relatively young and less diverse than most. It has higher incomes and average housing costs compared with its peers.

Our Hamilton County: Job Growth Is Even Faster than Population Growth

https://www.indystar.com/picture-gallery/news/local/hamilton-county/2023/02/28/inside-republic-airways-new-aviation-campus-carmel/11282362002/

Hamilton County’s employment has grown 16-fold since 1970 from 15,000 to 243,000. This is a 52-year compounded 5.5% growth rate. You aren’t likely to find that growth rate in your stock or mutual fund portfolio!

This growth started from a low base of 1,500 new jobs per year and accelerated to 5,000 new jobs per year by 2000. Hamilton County has maintained this growth rate for 2 decades with some extra results recently!

Hamilton County’s population doubled from 1970 to 1990. Metro Indy, excluding Hamilton County, grew by the same 50,000 people. In the next 30 years, Hamilton County added more than 250,000 people and the rest of metro Indy added a very solid 475,000 people (almost 2X). Hamilton County benefits from the Midwest leading growth of metro Indy.

Hamilton County employment growth has been a little faster than population growth.

Metro US population has grown by 1% annually and employment has grown by 1.6% annually. The Indy metro area has grown at similar rates. Hamilton County has grown 3-4 times faster.

As Hamilton County has grown, its annual growth rate has declined from 7% to 4%, still far above the 1.5-2% baseline growth rate.

Hamilton County has grown from 1/3,000 US people and 1/5,000 US employees to 1/800 citizens and workers. (4-6X growth).

Metro Indianapolis has been a solid job creator. Hamilton County has grown alongside the metro area.

Hamilton County was a “bedroom suburb” in its early days but reached the national level of jobs to population by 1992 and tracked the national average thereafter.